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THE MAN AND HIS PHILOSOPHY

Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 4

 

 

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Question 4

QUESTIONER YOU OFTEN SAY THAT WHEN "I" BECOMES WHOLE IT TURNS INTO "NON-I" OR "ALL". BUT WHAT YOU SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO CONTRADICTS THIS STATEMENT. IT SEEMS YOU ARE JUST SHIFTING THE EMPHASIS FROM ONE WORD TO ANOTHER. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHOLE "I" AND THE "NON-I"?

There is no difference. The whole "I" means this much: that now there is no "thou", all thou's have become assimilated by the "?". And when "thou" and "I" become one there is no sense in calling it "I" or "thou". So whether we say whole "I" or "non-l", they are two ways of saying the same thing. When "I" becomes whole it is empty, it is a zero experience; or when "I" becomes empty it becomes whole. Whatever way you say it makes no difference. The ultimate truth can be said both ways -- positively and negatively; it includes both yes and no, and everything too. It is all right if you say nothing about it; it is also fine if you speak endlessly about it. After all that is said and unsaid, truth remains beyond it; truth is always the beyond. But in silence truth is complete, whole.

When we look at truth, what is, from a particular viewpoint, we are in difficulty. And we are all used tO looking at truth from some viewpoint; we look at it through the screen of our ideas and concepts, our emotions and feelings. And as long as we have our thoughts and concepts and viewpoints, the truth that we see is bound to be fragmentary and incomplete. It is okay if we are aware that our perception of truth is partial and fragmentary, but the difficulty is that every viewpoint claims to be complete. And when a fragmentary vision claims to be the whole, when it lays claim to being a complete philosophy, it gives rise to great confusion and illusion. There is no such danger if a viewpoint is aware that it is simply a viewpoint. Complete perception of truth is possible only when all points and angles of viewing disappear, when one is nowhere or everywhere, when one is free of all ideas and concepts, of all words and images, of all associations. Then only knowing happens, truth happens.

And there are two ways -- only two ways -- of saying the truth. One way is positive and the other is negative. There is no third way of saying it. Buddha uses the negative way when he says truth is utter emptiness, it is absolute nothingness, it is nirvana. On the other hand Shankara uses the positive way, he calls it the supreme, the brahman, the whole. The irony is that while Buddha and Shankara seem to be contradicting each other, they are saying the same thing: of course, their words, their metaphors, their ways of saying it are different. While Shankara loves the positive way, Buddha chooses the negative one.

If you ask me, I will say Brahman is another name for nirvana, and nirvana is another name for brahman. And language comes to its end when both Shankara and Buddha meet. It is really there that truth begins, that truth is.

 

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Chapter 12

 

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 1
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 1, WE HAVE HAD THE RARE OPPORTUNITY OF LISTENING TO YOU SPEAK ON KRISHNA'S MULTI-SPLENDORED LIFE -- HIS RAAS, HIS FLUTE, HIS RADHA AND HIS UNIQUE WEAPON, THE SUDARSHAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY SOMETHING ABOUT HIS PHILOSOPHY, THE SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE AND THE WAY OF WORSHIP THAT HE TAUGHT TO DISPEL THE DELUSION OF A SINGLE PERSON, ARJUNA. HERE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU SO MANY OF US WHO ARE ALL DELUDED AND CONFUSED. HAPPILY FOR US YOU ARE THE MOST COMPETENT AUTHORITY TO REMOVE OUR DELUSION. ANOTHER QUESTIONER: IN THE COURSE OF THE PAST FIVE DAYS YOU HAVE PRESENTED KRISHNA, WHO IS KNOWN AS A BUTTER-THIEF AND PERFORMER OF RAAS, AS A PERFECT EMBODIMENT OF THE FULLNESS OF LIFE AND OF YOGA. IF WE UNDERSTAND YOU RIGHTLY WE CAN SAY THAT KRISHNA'S RAAS IS THE TRUE PORTRAYAL OF EXISTENCE AND HIS GEETA THE QUINTESSENCE OF LIFE ITSELF. YOU HAVE SAID THAT THE GEETA, AND NOT THE RAAS, IS A TESTIMONY TO KRISHNA. YOU HAVE ALSO SAID THAT MAHAVIRA AND BUDDHA WERE INCOMPLETE BECAUSE THEY WERE ONE-DIMENSIONAL. AND ELSEWHERE YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT MAHAVIRA THAT HE HAD TRANSCENDED EVEN THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH BODIES AND ATTAINED TO THE FULLNESS OF YOGA. IN THIS CONTEXT, WE SHOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THE GEETA OR FRIVOLITIES LIKE THE RAAS THAT MADE KRISHNA A COMPLETE INCARNATION. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF, LIKE MAHAVIRA, ALL OTHER JAINA TIRTHANKARAS WERE UNAWARE OF MULTIDIMENSIONAL LIFE. AND LASTLY EXPLAIN: WHAT IS SAMYAMA (DISCIPLINE OF BALANCE IN LIFE) WITHOUT REPRESSION? AND WHAT WOULD BE ITS PLACE IN SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 2
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 2, PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT MARTIN BUBER at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 3
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 3, SARTRE SAYS, 'EXISTENCE PRECEDES ESSENCE,' AND YOU SAY, 'ESSENCE PRECEDES EXISTENCE.' PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO STATEMENTS. PLEASE ALSO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONFUSION IN WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES WITH REGARD TO THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN DEVOTION AND DISCIPLINE, BECAUSE HERE IN MANALI WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN A CAMP MEANT FOR SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 4
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 4, YOU OFTEN SAY THAT WHEN 'I' BECOMES WHOLE IT TURNS INTO 'NON-I' OR 'ALL'. BUT WHAT YOU SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO CONTRADICTS THIS STATEMENT. IT SEEMS YOU ARE JUST SHIFTING THE EMPHASIS FROM ONE WORD TO ANOTHER. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHOLE 'I' AND THE 'NON-I'? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 5
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 5, YOU HAVE SAID THAT WHILE SADHANA OR SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE LEADS TO THE WHOLE '?', UPASANA OR DEVOTION LEADS TO 'NO-I', AND THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALSO SAID THAT DEVOTION AND DISCIPLINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 6
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 6, MEDITATION SEEMS TO BE CENTRAL TO THE CAMPAIGN OF SPIRITUAL REGENERATION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CARRYING ON FOR THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. SO PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEDITATION AND DEVOTION AND WHETHER IT IS MEDITATION AND SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE THAT IS CENTRAL TO YOUR TEACHING, OR DEVOTION at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 7
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 7, THERE IS YET ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. YOU SAID THAT WHILE KRISHNA WAS BORN ENLIGHTENED, MAHAVIRA ATTAINED TO ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH EFFORTS. BUT IN THE COURSE OF YOUR DISCOURSES ON MAHAVIRA IN KASHMIR LAST YEAR, YOU SAID THAT MAHAVIRA HAD COMPLETED ALL HIS SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE IN HIS PAST LIVES, AND IN HIS LAST LIFE AS MAHAVIRA HE HAD NOTHING MORE TO DO THAN GIVE EXPRESSION TO HIS EXPERIENCES OF ENLIGHTENMENT. IF IT IS SO, THEN MAHAVIRA WAS ALSO BORN ENLIGHTENED. PLEASE COMMENT at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 8
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 8, DID HE COME TO WHOLENESS STRAIGHTAWAY? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 9
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 9, ONE LAST QUESTION, IF YOU PERMIT. HOW IS IT THAT KRISHNA, IN ALL HIS PAST LIVES, HAS NEVER BEEN IGNORANT AND IMPERFECT? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 10
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 10, IT IS A PRAYER, A REQUEST, AND NOT A QUESTION. WE HAVE NOW ONLY FIVE DAYS LEFT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD DEVOTE MORNINGS TO ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AND EVENINGS TO YOUR INDEPENDENT DISCOURSES ON KRISHNA AND HIS GEETA at energyenhancement.org

 

 

 
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