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THE MAN AND HIS PHILOSOPHY

Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 5

 

 

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Question 5

QUESTIONER: YOU HAVE SAID THAT WHILE SADHANA OR SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE LEADS TO THE WHOLE "?", UPASANA OR DEVOTION LEADS TO "NO-I", AND THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALSO SAID THAT DEVOTION AND DISCIPLINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING. PLEASE EXPLAIN.

No, I did not say that sadhana leads to the whole "I"; I only said that sadhana takes you in the direction of I or self. If spiritual discipline can take yoU to the whole "I" then there is no difference between sadhana and upasana. But the truth is that you cannot achieve the whole "I" through efforts, and that is why a moment comes in the life of a sadhaka, a traveler on the path of effort, when he is called upon to drop his self, to give up his "?".

Efforts can, at the most, lead you to the soul, which is an incomplete attainment. To complete it, to attain the supreme, the sadhaka will have to take a jump and give up the soul too. The devotee makes this leap with his very first step. You cannot come to the supreme through efforts. When all efforts cease, the ultimate truth comes into being. The devotee is in a much better position; he begins with the dropping of the "I", and after you have dropped your"l" there is nothing more to be dropped. What the sadhaka attains in the end, the upasaka attains at the very start.

And in my vision it is wise that what has to be dropped in the end should be dropped right at the beginning. Why cling to it unnecessarily? Why go through a long and tortuous and useless struggle? Why carry a heavy load on your head from the foot of a hill to its peak, when you are aware that it has to be dropped just before setting foot on the peak? It would be sheer stupidity and waste of energy and time. No one can climb the height of a mountain with a heavy load. Sooner or later it has to be dropped, but we say we will carry it as far as we can. The upasaka is more intelligent, he drops his "I" at the very start of the journey. And the miracle happens that with the dropping of the "I" the journey is complete. This is the difference between a doer and a devotee. However there is no difference between them when they have arrived.

It is significant that while the journey of a doer is hard and painful, that of the devotee is joyful and easy. The doer's attachment to his "I" will continue to impede his progress at every step, and can even force him to leave the journey unfinished. The devotee has to face this problem only once -- when he begins his journey. And if he can tackle it rightly he will be finished with it forever. He has another difficulty which comes when he compares himself with the doer. He can be tempted to think that if one can reach the summit with his "?", why should he drop it right at the start? He can be confused.

But it is a matter of inclination, type and choice that one person takes to devotion and another to discipline and effort. And while it is true that while the devotee s difficulty comes at the start and that of the doer comes at the end, the goal is the same.

But remember, the world of Krishna is the world of the devotee, the upasaka.

 

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Chapter 12

 

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 1
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 1, WE HAVE HAD THE RARE OPPORTUNITY OF LISTENING TO YOU SPEAK ON KRISHNA'S MULTI-SPLENDORED LIFE -- HIS RAAS, HIS FLUTE, HIS RADHA AND HIS UNIQUE WEAPON, THE SUDARSHAN. WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY SOMETHING ABOUT HIS PHILOSOPHY, THE SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE AND THE WAY OF WORSHIP THAT HE TAUGHT TO DISPEL THE DELUSION OF A SINGLE PERSON, ARJUNA. HERE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU SO MANY OF US WHO ARE ALL DELUDED AND CONFUSED. HAPPILY FOR US YOU ARE THE MOST COMPETENT AUTHORITY TO REMOVE OUR DELUSION. ANOTHER QUESTIONER: IN THE COURSE OF THE PAST FIVE DAYS YOU HAVE PRESENTED KRISHNA, WHO IS KNOWN AS A BUTTER-THIEF AND PERFORMER OF RAAS, AS A PERFECT EMBODIMENT OF THE FULLNESS OF LIFE AND OF YOGA. IF WE UNDERSTAND YOU RIGHTLY WE CAN SAY THAT KRISHNA'S RAAS IS THE TRUE PORTRAYAL OF EXISTENCE AND HIS GEETA THE QUINTESSENCE OF LIFE ITSELF. YOU HAVE SAID THAT THE GEETA, AND NOT THE RAAS, IS A TESTIMONY TO KRISHNA. YOU HAVE ALSO SAID THAT MAHAVIRA AND BUDDHA WERE INCOMPLETE BECAUSE THEY WERE ONE-DIMENSIONAL. AND ELSEWHERE YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT MAHAVIRA THAT HE HAD TRANSCENDED EVEN THE SIXTH AND SEVENTH BODIES AND ATTAINED TO THE FULLNESS OF YOGA. IN THIS CONTEXT, WE SHOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THE GEETA OR FRIVOLITIES LIKE THE RAAS THAT MADE KRISHNA A COMPLETE INCARNATION. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW IF, LIKE MAHAVIRA, ALL OTHER JAINA TIRTHANKARAS WERE UNAWARE OF MULTIDIMENSIONAL LIFE. AND LASTLY EXPLAIN: WHAT IS SAMYAMA (DISCIPLINE OF BALANCE IN LIFE) WITHOUT REPRESSION? AND WHAT WOULD BE ITS PLACE IN SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 2
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 2, PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT MARTIN BUBER at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 3
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 3, SARTRE SAYS, 'EXISTENCE PRECEDES ESSENCE,' AND YOU SAY, 'ESSENCE PRECEDES EXISTENCE.' PLEASE EXPLAIN THE ACTUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO STATEMENTS. PLEASE ALSO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE CONFUSION IN WHICH WE FIND OURSELVES WITH REGARD TO THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN DEVOTION AND DISCIPLINE, BECAUSE HERE IN MANALI WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN A CAMP MEANT FOR SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 4
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 4, YOU OFTEN SAY THAT WHEN 'I' BECOMES WHOLE IT TURNS INTO 'NON-I' OR 'ALL'. BUT WHAT YOU SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO CONTRADICTS THIS STATEMENT. IT SEEMS YOU ARE JUST SHIFTING THE EMPHASIS FROM ONE WORD TO ANOTHER. IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WHOLE 'I' AND THE 'NON-I'? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 5
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 5, YOU HAVE SAID THAT WHILE SADHANA OR SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE LEADS TO THE WHOLE '?', UPASANA OR DEVOTION LEADS TO 'NO-I', AND THAT THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALSO SAID THAT DEVOTION AND DISCIPLINE ARE ONE AND THE SAME THING at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 6
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 6, MEDITATION SEEMS TO BE CENTRAL TO THE CAMPAIGN OF SPIRITUAL REGENERATION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CARRYING ON FOR THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS. SO PLEASE EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEDITATION AND DEVOTION AND WHETHER IT IS MEDITATION AND SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE THAT IS CENTRAL TO YOUR TEACHING, OR DEVOTION at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 7
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 7, THERE IS YET ANOTHER CONTRADICTION. YOU SAID THAT WHILE KRISHNA WAS BORN ENLIGHTENED, MAHAVIRA ATTAINED TO ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH EFFORTS. BUT IN THE COURSE OF YOUR DISCOURSES ON MAHAVIRA IN KASHMIR LAST YEAR, YOU SAID THAT MAHAVIRA HAD COMPLETED ALL HIS SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE IN HIS PAST LIVES, AND IN HIS LAST LIFE AS MAHAVIRA HE HAD NOTHING MORE TO DO THAN GIVE EXPRESSION TO HIS EXPERIENCES OF ENLIGHTENMENT. IF IT IS SO, THEN MAHAVIRA WAS ALSO BORN ENLIGHTENED. PLEASE COMMENT at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 8
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 8, DID HE COME TO WHOLENESS STRAIGHTAWAY? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 9
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 9, ONE LAST QUESTION, IF YOU PERMIT. HOW IS IT THAT KRISHNA, IN ALL HIS PAST LIVES, HAS NEVER BEEN IGNORANT AND IMPERFECT? at energyenhancement.org

  • Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 10
    Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 12: Discipline, Devotion and Krishna, Question 10, IT IS A PRAYER, A REQUEST, AND NOT A QUESTION. WE HAVE NOW ONLY FIVE DAYS LEFT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU SHOULD DEVOTE MORNINGS TO ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AND EVENINGS TO YOUR INDEPENDENT DISCOURSES ON KRISHNA AND HIS GEETA at energyenhancement.org

 

 

 
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