LIZABETAS RETURN - SHE CAME TO
VISIT US FOR AN AFTERNOON AND ASKED FOR ADVICE.
Picture from September
2006 when Lis came to visit and ask for our help with some Inner Children coming
from past lifetimes. We had pizza on the beach and a wonderful afternoon.
After the EE course 3 years ago I kept doing the
meditation excersises I had
I am normaly a happy person, except from this deep life crisis coming sometime
without warning- always with an overtaking feeling of There Is No Meaning With
My experienses, after Satchis suggestion that I look in the past lifes for the
reason to my depressions, was as follow:
I went back to a past life, and got a very clear picture of a woman sitting in a
dark, cold, cavelike cell chained up. Me. I´ve been sitting there for
years, every day being the same and with a strong despair and an overwelming
feeling of; really there is no meaning with my life...
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In to another past life, this time I was another woman, in Amerika during the
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Do I need to tell you that since then I havn´t had any more of those
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I am working a lot on my meditation and i am doing incredible healing on my present life, in different little girls, and teenager. At the same time with consciousness, i believe that i am also healing past life. You would be proud of me i have been a very good girl. So good work, that i can see the changes already...and feel amazed by them!! Wahe Guru!
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"She felt goose pimples all over her skin. The energy was coursing and rushing through her body in very strong waves for at least 30 minutes and when it was time for lunch she did not want to come out of it, she was laying on her back and couldn´t stop laughing of happiness!
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ENHANCEMENT WITH LISABET FROM THE 2003 SEPTEMBER COURSE
September 2006 when Lis came to visit and ask for our help with some Inner
Children coming from past lifetimes
Well, in the middle of a Three Level Energy Enhancement Course and
Energy Enhancement Yoga Teacher Training Course we had some
experiences with Lisabeta from Sweden. She is an incipient Priestess with psychic energy gifts which can be
amazing until training makes them useful.
Lisabeta has been to Peru for Training with a Shaman on the Inca Trail.
Yesterday she had a wonderful experience after the Yoga session. I
was playing the Gyuto Monks from Tibet whose job it is to use their
Chanting of Prayers and Mantras to expel and exorcise entities and
negative energies from the surroundings.
The recording was made in Saint John the Divines Cathedral in New
York in the presence of the Dalai Lama. The beautiful Digital
Recording was paid for and organized by Richard Gere the actor and
Mickey Hart, the drummer from the Grateful Dead. The disk is
available on rykodisk.
September 2006 when Lis came to visit and ask for our help with some Inner
Children coming from past lifetimes. We had pizza on the beach and a wonderful
It is interesting that there in the Cathedral talked my teacher Swami
Satchidananda on many occasions. He was invited to talk there because
he so impressed the rector of the Cathedral with his presence and
Energy of Enlightenment but also because he received the Martin Buber
award for World Peace due to his efforts in the Ecumenical field.
How can this World come together as One, in Peace and Harmony, if the
Religions of this world are still fighting one another?
The Truth is One, He said, The Paths are many.
We use the energy of the Gyuto Monks whose heartfelt prayer, Negative Thoughtforms, entities and human delusions are endless, we vow to end
them all!! and so they stay on this planet from lifetime to lifetime,
dedicated to the Enlightenment of all beings. We use their chanting
to clear the negative energies released from the energy bodies of our
clients through the Energy Enhancement purification process.
So after the yoga we were meditating with the chanting of these monks
in the background and the Energy Enhancement techniques in the
Lisabet reported that she felt the energies coalescing in her Solar
Plexus going round and around, and then they shot down into a
blockage she felt for the first time in her Abdominal Chakra. Then
the Kundalini Energy started to travel powerfully all around her body
up into the center of the Universe and down into the center of the
She felt goose pimples all over her skin. The energy was coursing and rushing
through her body in very strong waves for at least 30 minutes and when it was
time for lunch she did not want to come out of it, she was laying on her back
and couldn´t stop laughing of happiness!
Usually such Kundalini experiences are just adjuncts to the process of clearing
Said Sufi Master Saadi, When the energy is flowing correctly, there
is no movement!
And these powerful sensations are just Kundalini energy flowing
through a blockage resistance as the blockage is in the process of
We tend to remove Energy Blockages in waves. At first we remove all
the easy blockages and then as we go deeper into Energy Enhancement
we raise our energies higher and stronger, deeper blockages become
candidates for expulsion. Like the layers of an onion we expel all
blockages. The more powerful blockages hide until sufficient energy
is there to remove them. The last and most powerful blockage is
removed just before enlightenment. And that one is a Doozy!!
And when we gain energy enough Energy Enhancement Energy, up pop the
And when you feel them, that is when we can heal them!!
When you see
them, you can free them!
So, the next day this abdominal blockage came to the presence of our
minds by creating all sorts of negative energies and thoughts.
Abdominal blockages are caused by disappointment in relationships in
this and past lifetimes. They travel with us from lifetime to
lifetime until we learn how to heal them, They draw similar
experiences to you until the negative energy of the blockage becomes
To those that have, more will be given.
Until the blockages are removed through evolution and training. And
eventually these blockages become a matter of life and death.
Until, To those that have not, it will all be taken away!
All your blockages are removed.
Blockageless you become a serious candidate for the Third Initiation
of Enlightenment. You get energized through Initiation and then
become Enlightened. This is the Energy Enhancement process.
Not only through the first initiation of Opening the Heart. Or the
Second Initiation of the Mastery of Relationships and the Third
Initiation of Enlightenment itself, becoming a Soul Infused
Personality. But also further initiations of the Fourth Initiation,
becoming a Monad Infused Personality. And more!!
Enlightenment is only the first Dan. You then become fit to learn by
This is the Energy Enhancement Process of progressive blockage
removal and Initiation.
We meditated the next day and I felt a painful Vitriolic ball of fire
in my belly. I was feeling the Energy Blockage of Lisabet which was
just waiting for time, place and energy for it to become available
And Lisabet became so tired and painful she lay on her side in a
As our other
student and I continued to meditate we used Second
Level Energy Enhancement techniques to Ground and remove Lisabetas Abdominal
Energy Blockage. She actually saw an angel in her mind coming to help her remove
the strong anger she felt, so she was delighted when she found out that the
"angel" was Satchi
A good training for our other student as all teaching comes through psychic experiences like
this on the course. Things just happen and through the experience of doing,
because as we are just reminding you of what you already know, you Grow.
September 2006 when Lis came to visit and ask for our help with some Inner
Children coming from past lifetimes. We had pizza on the beach and a wonderful
Eventually on the Energy Enhancement Course we move on into enlightenment
experiences like Lisabeta from Sweden.
In one of the last mailing list broadcasts I told of Lisabeta's process
for getting rid of one of her energy blockages. Usually the first
energy blockages on the energy enhancement course are the easiest.
The one we described last time was heavy but manageable, and came
towards the end of the course after many similar experiences,
particularly when you see what this blockage removal led to...
On the last day of her course, after 4 weeks of Energy Enhancement
blockage removal, Lisabeta was getting ready for her Yoga Teacher
Training tryout. She was going to give another lesson in Yoga to us.
Well as she was preparing she decided to do a little meditation and
when she sat, she just felt all this energy which made her want to
sit even more.
She felt herself ascending higher and higher like her head was going
up into the center of the universe and she was breaking through one
of her old barriers, like her head was pushing through the top of an
As she broke through this
barrier, she felt fingers brushing through her hair with a sweet
indescribable energy for what seemed like a long time. Well, we were trying
to get her to come to the yoga class. Talking to her and telling her to come
out of it. But she could not hear us, she did not want to. She was in
bliss. Gentle fingers brushing slowly through her hair.
She stayed in this state
for two hours without moving!
Please remember that Lisabeta had done meditation before coming on the Energy
Enhancement course but never been able to sit for more than 45 min, and Swami
Sivananda used to say, if you can sit still without moving for three hours, the
chances are that you are enlightened.
Well, perhaps Lisabeta is not enlightened, but if you see her now as
we did when we met again, last week, one year after her course with
us, you would definitely see an energy glow around her. She looks
just glowing with energy, relaxed and wonderful. A big smile all over
SATCHIDANAND AND INNER
We are talking about Energy Enhancement Level Two when we work on the parts
of the mind which split off when something terrible happens, like your mother
and father leaving you or dying when you are young or if you get attacked or
These "Inner Children" which split off from the central stem of the
personality need to have their pain and negative energy grounded and
healed, and they need to be brought back into the central stem of the soul. Soul
There can only be one.
And that is the Soul Infused personality.
The act is very similar in action to the Shamanistic "Soul Retrieval" where the
Shaman acts to heal and bring back the split off parts of the Soul to the sound
of a Drum.
The difference is that in Energy Enhancement we teach you how to do it for
You don't always have to be depending on a Doctor or Shaman and paying their
fees. Yet we are always here for you.
There are energy centers higher than the Soul on the way to the "Spring at the
top of the Mountain".
One, the Group Soul is called the Monad and consists of all the souls on this
planet which comprise the group and the reflections of those souls.
As I often say, Enlightenment is only the First Dan. That is when you become a
Soul Infused personality, when you have to integrate all the sub-personalities
back into the Soul Central Stem, yet the next Initiation or Dan is where you become a
Monad infused Personality.
In order to become a Monad Infused Personality, similarly to the Soul infused
Personality, where you have to heal and take back all those painful
subpersonalities or Inner Children, we instead, at this stage, have to heal all
members of our Soul Group.
We have to make them Enlightened!!
THIS IS The the force behind a Guru!!
This act becomes more important than life and death, as we activate the
archetype of the Boddhisattva, who promises that when he becomes enlightened he
will not leave this planet. Instead he will wait until all the people on this
planet have become gone on into existence before him.
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m getting stuck straight in, its amazing, because the very first time i got
the sitting position correct. I could feel the energy flowing up my spine
and over my head incredible heat and a real tingling in my face and a
feeling of elation i cant describe and i did this while using sound for each
chakra, when i struck the heart chakra tone my chest just expanded and it
felt like it was being lifted up and the whole room seemed full of energy
and and and what a feeling, phew. It was heaven.
I was sitting still
for about an hour and it felt like only a few minutes i think i just
I think i now have all the little pieces of my jigsaw, its taken a long time
searching and im also seeing the numerous times when i was shown the
direction but i was unable to see, There seems to be so much that i have
missed and i wonder how come i was this blind for so long.
I wanted to say "Thank You" For your patience, For your time and most of all
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May Peace and Love always be your friends.
Don And Anne.
When I came to see Satchi at the airport for the first time I was struck by his
energy but it was the second time, when he was talking to another student when
meeting us off the train at Figueres that I really started to feel the
Buddhafield of Energy Surrounding him.
Suddenly I started yawning like the big healer guy in "The Green Mile" and then
tears started from my eyes and I felt I was getting rid of a lot of Painful
memories from the past. Olympia Panza 2004
"Once this stage was reached I had tremendous energy!"
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original fall is just rubbish.
Man has been evolving -- not falling -- in every possible way. The only way
the original fall can be supported is by the idea of evolution proposed by
Charles Darwin; but religions cannot use that -- they are very much
offended. Charles Darwin's idea certainly can be put in such a way -- at
least by the monkeys if not by man -- that it was an original fall.
Certainly if man has evolved out of monkeys he must have fallen from the
trees, and the monkeys who did not fall must have laughed at these idiots
who had fallen. And there is a possibility that these were the weaker
monkeys who could not survive in the trees.
In monkeys there exists a hierarchy. Perhaps the same mind and the same
hierarchy are carried by man too; it is the same mind. If you see monkeys
sitting in a tree you can know who's the chief: he will be at the top of the
tree. Then there will be a big group of ladies, his harem -- the most
beautiful, young. After that will be a third group.
I was thinking about this third group for many days but I had no word for
it. In India we call that group the chamchas. Chamcha means a spoon, and
these people are suckers. Just the way you take, with a spoon, things out of
a bottle, they go on taking things -- power, money -- from those who have.
Of course, they have to buttress these people, they have to praise these
But Devaraj has sent by coincidence today the right word -- because chamcha
cannot be exactly translated; "spoon" loses all meaning. He has sent me a
word which is Californian: the brownnose. And he sent me the Webster's
dictionary also because I might not understand what a brownnose is; and
certainly I would not have understood what a brownnose is.
He sent a note also, thinking perhaps that even the dictionary may not be
helpful because Webster writes it in such a way that it does not look in any
way obscene, dirty. So he sent me a note also: "In Europe we call these
people `arse-kissers'." That's exactly the meaning of chamchas.
The chief on the top, then the harem of the ladies whom he controls, then
the brownnoses! And then you come down to lower categories of the hierarchy.
On the lowest branches are the poorest monkeys, without girlfriends,
boyfriends -- servants. But perhaps from this very group humanity has grown.
Even in this group there may have been a few people who were so weak that
they could not even manage to stay on the lowest branches. They were pushed,
pulled, thrown, and somehow they found themselves fallen onto the earth.
That is the original fall.
Monkeys still go on laughing at man. Certainly if you think from the
monkey's side, a monkey walking on two legs ... if you are a monkey and you
think from its side, seeing a monkey walking on two legs, you will think,
"Has he joined a circus or something? And what happened to the poor guy? He
just lives on the ground; he never comes to the trees, the wild freedom of
the trees, the higher status of the trees. This is really the fallen one,
Except for this, religions don't have any logical support for the idea of
the original fall. Stories they have, but stories are not arguments, stories
are not proofs. And stories can have just the opposite meaning to that which
you wanted to give to them. For example, the original fall in Christianity
makes God the real culprit, and if anybody needs saving it is the Christian
A father preventing his children from being wise, from living forever, is
certainly insane. Even the worst father would like his children to be wise,
intelligent. Even the cruelest father would like his children to live
But God prevents man from eating of two trees -- the tree of knowledge and
the tree of eternal life. This seems to be a strange kind of God; it is not
in any way possible to conceive Him as fatherly. He seems to be the enemy of
man. Who needs saving? Your God is jealous: that's what was the argument of
the devil who came in the form of a serpent and seduced the mind of Eve.
To me, there are many significant things to be understood. Why did he
choose Eve and not Adam? He could have chosen Adam directly, but men by
nature are less sensitive, less vulnerable, more arrogant, egoistic. Adam
may not even have liked to have a conversation with a serpent, may have
thought it was below his dignity. And to be persuaded by a serpent's
argument would have been impossible for man. He would have argued against
him; he would have struggled, fought -- because to agree with someone seems
to the ego as if you are defeated.
The ego knows only disagreement, struggle, victory or defeat -- as if there
is no other way, as if there are only two ways: victory and defeat. For the
ego certainly there are only two ways.
But for a sensitive soul there is only one way -- to understand whatever is
true. It is not a question of me and you, it is not a question of somebody
being defeated or victorious. The question is: What is the truth?
The woman was not interested in arguing. She listened and she found that it
was perfectly right. Wisdom was prohibited because, the serpent said, "God
does not want man to become godlike, and if you are wise you will be
godlike. And once you are wise it will not be very difficult for you to find
the tree of eternal life."
It is really the other side of wisdom -- eternity. And if you are wise and
you have eternal life, then who bothers about God? What has He got that you
have not got? Just to keep you a slave, eternally dependent -- never
allowing you to become a knowing being, never allowing you to taste
something of the eternal -- in this vast garden of Eden He has prohibited
only two trees. The argument was simply a statement of the fact.
Now, the person who brings the truth to humanity is condemned as the devil;
and the person who was preventing humanity from knowing the truth, from
knowing life, is praised as God. But the priests can live only with this
kind of God; the devil will destroy them completely.
If God Himself becomes useless, futile, by man becoming wise and having
eternal life, what about the priests? What about all the religions, the
churches, the temples, the synagogues? What about these millions of people
who are just parasites sucking humanity's blood in every possible way? They
can exist only with that kind of God. Naturally the person who should be
condemned as the devil is praised as God, and the person who should be
praised as God is condemned as the devil.
Just try to see the story without any prejudice; just try to understand it
from many aspects. This is only one of the aspects but it is of tremendous
importance -- because if God becomes the devil, the devil becomes God: then
there is no original fall. If Adam and Eve had declined the devil's wise
advice, that would have been the fall, and then there would have been a need
to save man. But they did not decline. And the serpent was certainly wise,
certainly wiser than your God.
Just see. Anybody knows, even a very mediocre person knows, that if you say
to children, "Don't eat that fruit: you can eat anything that is available
in the house but don't eat that fruit" -- the children will become
absolutely disinterested in all kinds of foods; their only interest will be
in that fruit which has been prohibited.
Prohibition is invitation.
The God of this story seems to be absolutely a fool. The garden was huge,
with millions of trees. If He had not said anything about these two trees I
don't think even by now man would have been able to find those two trees.
But He started His religious sermons with this sermon. This is the first
sermon: "Don't eat from these two trees." He pointed out the trees: "These
are the two trees that you have to avoid." This is provocation.
Who says that the devil seduced Adam and Eve? It was God! Even without the
devil, I say to you Adam and Eve would have eaten those fruits. The devil is
not needed; God has done the work Himself. Sooner or later it would have
been impossible to resist the temptation. Why should God prevent them?
All efforts to make people obedient simply lead them into disobedience. All
efforts to enslave people make them more and more strong to rebel, to be
Even Sigmund Freud knows more psychology than your God, and Sigmund Freud
is a Jew, just in the same tradition of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve are his
forefathers' forefathers' forefathers, but somewhere the same bloodstream is
flowing. Sigmund Freud is more intelligent; and in fact there is no need for
much intelligence to see a simple fact.
In my childhood, in my neighborhood, lived the richest man of the city. He
had the only palatial building -- all marble. Around his house there was a
beautiful garden, lawn. One day I was standing just outside his fence, and
he was telling something to his gardener. I told him, "Dada" -- he was known
as dada; dada means big brother. The whole town called him Dada, even people
who were older than him, because he was rich.
I said to him, "You should remember one thing. Put a few posters around the
garden that nobody should urinate here, because I have seen a few people
urinating around your house." And it was a good place to urinate because a
big garden, trees ... you could go behind them.
He said, "That's right!" The next day he painted a few instructions around
the garden: "No Pissing Allowed" -- and since that day the whole town has
been pissing around his house! He came to see my father. He said, "Where is
your boy? -- he has made my house hell. And who has said to him that he has
to advise me?"
My father said, "But what advice has he given to you? If you had asked me I
would have told you never to listen to him; it always leads into some
trouble. What happened?"
He said, "Nothing. I was just talking to the gardeners. He said, `Dada, I
have seen a few people urinating.' I have never seen them myself, my
gardeners said, `We have never seen anybody,' but the idea struck me that it
is true: huge trees, bushes ... people may be urinating in my garden or
around my garden. This is not to be allowed anymore. So he suggested to me
to make a few posters around the house: `No Pissing Allowed.' So I did that,
and since that day the whole town is pissing around my garden. Where is your
My father said, "It is very difficult to know where he is. Whenever he
comes, he comes; whenever he goes, he goes. He is not under our control. But
if he has started giving advice to you, he will come to give more advice --
don't be worried. If his one piece of advice has worked, he will come; you
just wait. And if he comes and I find him, I will bring him to you."
My father caught hold of me in the evening and he said, "You come. Why did
you give this advice?"
I said, "My advice was to prohibit people. Nobody can say that my advice is
wrong -- I have seen it written in many places. And yes, it is true I have
seen people pissing there; that's how I got the idea. And I have enquired
why people have started pissing.
"They say, `When we read the board suddenly the urge ... we remember that
the bladder is full; otherwise we were engaged in other kinds of things and
other thoughts were there. Who thinks of the bladder? When it becomes
absolutely necessary, then only one thinks of it.
"`But when we look at these boards suddenly the bladder becomes the most
important thing, and one feels the place is good, that's why the board has
been put there -- people must be pissing here. And we see that there are
many marks, many people have pissed already, so we feel it is perfectly
It is a simple thing: If you prohibit anything, you provoke, you give a
In India it is not any legal problem to urinate anywhere, wherever you can
manage: there is freedom of urination. When I was nearabout ten or eleven
years old my father became very sick so we had to take him to a very good
hospital, far away in Indore.
The hospital in Indore was famous all over the country. We had to live
there for six months. Just at the entrance of the hospital was a board: "No
Urination Permitted. Anybody Disobeying Will Be Prosecuted." And there used
to stand a policeman. To me that was even more provocative. The board was
enough but a policeman with a gun standing there!
The very first day my father entered hospital and we were given quarters in
the hospital to live in, I could not resist; it was impossible. The board
alone was enough but to put a policeman there with a gun -- this was too
much. I went directly.
The policeman was standing there; he looked at me. He could not believe it
because it had never happened: I pissed!
He said, "What are you doing? Can't you read?"
I said, "I can read -- better than you."
And he said, "Can't you see me with this gun?"
I said, "I can see that too. It is because of your gun and this board --
otherwise I had no need. My house is just a two-minute walk from here, and I
have just come from the bathroom. It is really difficult to piss because my
bladder is empty. But I cannot avoid the temptation."
He said, "You will have to come with me to the chief administrator of the
hospital" -- it was a big hospital.
So I said, "Okay, I will come." I went there. The administrator was very
He said, "You have just entered -- the first day, and you do such a thing?"
I said, "But what can I do? This policeman was pissing there!"
He said, "What!"
I said, "Yes, he was pissing there, and when I saw that a policeman was
pissing there I thought perhaps it is absolutely legal, this board is
The policeman said, "Who says I was pissing? This is absolutely wrong!"
The administrator said, "This is strange. Let us see."
What I had done, I had pissed in two places and I showed him those two. The
administrator said, "Two places!" He said to the policeman, "Your services
are finished! And that innocent boy -- he is not wrong. If you are pissing
here ... you are supposed to prevent people."
I said, "I saw him, with his gun, pissing here, so I said, `Perhaps this is
perfectly okay.' And I am new anyway, I don't know much." And the policeman
could not deny it; there was no way to deny.
I said, "If you were not pissing you can deny it, but that simply means
that you were not here, you were not on duty; somebody else has pissed.
Either way you are finished."
He was thrown out of his job. When we came out he said, "Just listen, how
did you manage that second place? You know that I was not pissing."
I said, "I know, you know, but that does not help. The question is the
administrator: he does not know. And you were in every way caught: Either
you were not on duty -- somebody else has pissed there -- or if you were on
duty then you had pissed."
He said, "How did it happen? Perhaps when we were inside somebody else did
I said, "To be true to you now that you are finished -- you are no longer a
policeman and I feel pity for you -- I had to do both the things before we
left. You were not observant enough to see that I moved two feet."
He said, "Yes, I remember. You moved, and I was thinking, Why have you
moved? Now I know. But that administrator won't let me even inside the
house; he is a very strict man."
I said, "He may be a strict man, but he has become a friend to me" -- and
he remained a friend to me for six months. I did every kind of thing in that
hospital, but whenever I was brought to him, he said, "This boy is innocent.
From the very first day I have known this boy is innocent and unnecessarily
people are harassing him; for all kinds of things people are harassing him.
"Somebody else does something and he is being caught. And I know the
reason: he is innocent, simple, from a small village. He knows nothing about
the city and the cunningness of the city and all kinds of ruffians so you go
and get hold of him: he has become the target." And I would stand before him
He remained a friend to me all those six months, just because of that one
case in which the policeman was thrown out. But to me it was a simple case
God could not see a simple thing? -- that to these innocent Adam and Eve He
is giving a challenge? In the uncorrupted souls, utterly innocent, He is
putting the seed of corruption. But to save Him the priests have managed to
bring the serpent in, and thrown the whole responsibility on the serpent --
that he is the sole cause of man's original fall. But I don't see him as the
original cause. If anything he is the original incentive to man's growth.
The devil is the original rebel. And what he said to Adam and Eve is the
beginning of a true religion, not what God said -- that is the beginning of
suicide, not religion.
In the East the serpent is worshiped as the wisest animal in the world; and
I think that is far better. If the serpent really did this then he is
certainly the wisest animal in the world. He saved man from eternal slavery,
This is not the original fall, this is the original rise.
You are asking me how to save humanity from falling even further.
Humanity has never been falling.
What has been happening is that all the religious dogmas sooner or later
become small and cannot contain man.
Man goes on growing:
Dogmas don't grow, doctrines don't grow.
The doctrines remain the same and man outgrows them.
The priest clings to the doctrine. That is his heritage, his power,
tradition, ancient wisdom. He clings to it. Now what to say about the man
who goes on outgrowing all those doctrines? Certainly to the priest this is
a continuous fall; man is falling.
Just take a few examples and you will understand how doctrines are bound to
be rigid, static, dead. Man is alive. You cannot hold him in something which
does not grow with him. He will break all those prisons, he will shatter all
For example, in Jainism the Jaina monk is not supposed to use shoes, for
the simple reason that in ancient days shoes were made only of leather, and
leather comes from animals; animals are killed. It is a symbol of violence,
and Mahavira wanted his followers not to be in any way -- directly or
indirectly -- involved in violence.
He prevented everybody from wearing shoes. He was not aware that one day
shoes of rubber would be available, which involves no violence. Shoes of
synthetic leather would be available, which involves no violence. Shoes of
cloth would be available, which involves no violence. He was not aware. So
it indicates two things. The claim of the Jainas that Mahavira is omniscient
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Secondly, now twenty-five centuries have passed: Jaina monks and nuns are
still walking bare-footed on the dusty roads in hot weather in a country
like India. You should see their feet; tears will come to your eyes. The
skin of their feet is all broken, as broken as when for two or three years
rains don't come and the earth breaks; and blood is oozing out of those
wounds. Still they have to go on walking; they cannot use a vehicle, because
in those days again a vehicle meant horse-driven, bullock-driven -- and that
And I can understand that it is violence. Who are you to force poor animals
to pull your vehicles and to pull you? But Mahavira was not aware that there
would be cars which would not be pulled by horses but would have horsepower
without horses, that there would be trains, electrical vehicles. He was not
aware of that, that there would be airplanes with the least possibility of
Even walking you will do more violence because it is not only when you kill
an elephant that it is violence. According to Jainism the soul has the same
status in the ant, the smallest ant, and the biggest elephant. Only the
bodies are different -- the souls are the same. So when you are walking on
the road you may be killing many insects; not only insects, even when you
are breathing you are killing very small living cells in the air. Just by
the hot air coming out of your nose, your mouth, they are being killed.
Perhaps for the Jaina monk and nun the airplane is the most non-violent
vehicle. When I suggested it to Jaina monks they said, "What are you saying?
If somebody hears it we will be thrown out, expelled!"
I could convince just one Jaina monk, and certainly he was expelled. He was
a little stupid. We both were staying in one temple, and I told him, "You
unnecessarily walk ten miles every day from this place to the city, while a
car comes for me; you can go with me."
He said, "But if anybody sees?"
I said, "We can always manage." He used to have a bamboo mat, so I said,
"You put the bamboo mat on the sofa in the car, and sit on the bamboo mat."
He said, "What will that do?"
I said, "You can simply say, `I am sitting on my bamboo mat; I am not
concerned with the car or anything.'"
He said, "This is perfectly right, because if I am sitting on the bamboo
mat and somebody pulls my bamboo mat, what can I do?"
I said, "That's right -- you just sit on the bamboo mat." I took him in the
car, and we reached the place where there was a meeting in which I and he
were both going to speak. When they saw him sitting .... And I asked
somebody to come and pull the bamboo mat out, with him sitting on top of it.
They said, "What is all this?"
I said, "You first pull him out, because he has nothing to do with the car
-- he is simply sitting on his bamboo mat. I have pushed his bamboo mat into
the car; now we have to take him out." And I had told him, "You simply sit
with your eyes closed." I said to them, "He is a very meditative person, and
don't disturb him, just pull his mat."
They pulled, but they were angry that this ...."We never heard of it: a
Jaina monk sitting in a car! And we know perfectly well this is not a
meditative monk; this is the first time we have seen him sitting with closed
eyes. He is not very erudite either, not scholarly or anything."
He knew only three speeches, and he used to ask me which one would be
right, so I used to make the sign one, two, or three; that would do. So
whichever finger I raised first he would do that speech. And I always
managed to let him deliver the wrong speech, one which was not supposed to
be for that audience, but he depended on my finger; he was a little stupid.
Finally they expelled him just because he sat in the car. While I was there
they could not, because I argued for him, "He has nothing to do with it. You
could expel me -- but you cannot because I am not your monk, I don't belong
to anybody; nobody in the whole world can expel me. But you can expel me; if
you can enjoy expelling, you can expel me. But he is absolutely innocent."
So in front of me they could not do anything, but the moment I left, the
next day, they expelled him. They took away all his symbols of a Jaina monk.
Only after five, seven years passed I met him in Lucknow, and what a great
coincidence! -- he was driving a taxi, he had become a taxi-driver. That's
how I met him -- at the railway station, because I had to get down there and
go to a hotel and wait at least eight hours; then my next train would come
which would take me to the place where I was going.
So in Lucknow I had no work and I had not informed anybody, so I could just
rest eight hours. By chance I called the taxi and he came. I said, "What!
You are driving a taxi."
He said, "It is all your doing."
I said, "But I think it is perfectly logical: from car to car, and from the
back seat to the front seat. This is what evolution is! And at that time you
were even afraid to sit down; now you are driving. You keep going: soon you
will be a pilot and someday I will meet you in the air."
He said, "Don't joke with me. I have been so angry with you, but seeing you
all my anger has gone -- you are such a nice person. But why did you do that
I said, "I took you out of that bondage; now you can go to the cinema, you
can smoke cigarettes. You can do everything that you want."
"I am. Yes, that is true," he said, "that you have made me free. I was a
slave of those people; I could not even move without their permission. Now I
don't care a bit about anybody; I earn my living and I live the way I want
to live. If you could help all the other Jaina monks also ...."
I said, "I try my best but the followers are always surrounding them,
protecting them, insisting that they should not talk with me. They say `Even
talk is dangerous because this man may put some idea in your mind.'"
All the religions are afraid of thinking, afraid of raising questions,
afraid of doubt, afraid of disobedience, and stuck centuries back -- for the
simple reason that these things were not available then. Those people who
were making those rules had no idea what the future was going to be.
Hence all the religions are agreed that man is continuously falling because
he is not following the scriptures, not following the doctrines, not
following the messiahs, the prophets. But I don't see that man is falling.
In fact man's sensitivity has grown.
His intelligence has grown, his life span has grown. He is more capable now
of getting rid of slavery and patterns of slavery.
Man is courageous enough to doubt, question, enquire. This is not a fall.
This is the beginning of a true religion spreading. Soon it can become a
But to the priests certainly it is a fall. Everything is a fall because it
is not according to their scriptures.
Do you know, in India, just a hundred years ago nobody was allowed to go to
foreign countries, for the simple reason that in foreign countries you would
be mixing with people who cannot be accepted as human beings; they are below
In India they have the worst class of human beings whom they call
untouchables. They cannot be touched. If you touch them you have to take a
shower and cleanse yourself. In foreign countries people are even farther
down than the untouchables. For them they had a special word, mlechchhas. It
is very difficult to translate that word. It means something so ugly, so
obscene, so dirty that it creates nausea in you. That will be the full
meaning of the word, mlechchha: people whose contact will create nausea in
you, a sickness in you.
Even when Gandhi went to England to study, his mother had taken three oaths
from him. One was that he would not look at any woman with lustful eyes -- a
very difficult thing, because by the time you become aware that you have
been looking with lustful eyes, you have already looked! I don't think
Gandhi followed that; he could not, it is impossible to follow, although he
tried his best.
Secondly, he should not eat meat. And he was in such a trouble because --
now in London you can find vegetarian restaurants, health food is now in
fashion, but when Gandhi had gone to study, there was no vegetarian food
available. He had to live just on fruits, bread, butter, milk.
He was almost
starving. He would not mix with people because those people were all
mlechchhas. And of course he was so much afraid of women: Who knows? -- just
like a breeze lust comes to the eyes.
Lust is not something that knocks on your door and says, "I am coming." You
see a beautiful woman and suddenly you feel, "She is beautiful" -- and
that's enough. Just to say, "She is beautiful," means you have already
looked with lustful eyes; otherwise what business is it for you to judge
whether she is beautiful or ugly?
In fact if you go deep down in your judgments you will see, at the moment
you say that someone is beautiful, deep down you want to possess. When you
say someone is ugly, deep down you don't want to have anything to do with
that person. Your "ugly," your "beauty," are really your desires for or
So Gandhi was continuously afraid of women. He had to remain confined to
his room, because in Europe there were women all over; how could you avoid
And the third oath was that he should not change his religion.
The first trouble arose in Alexandria. Their ship was to wait there for
three days for loading, unloading cargo. And all the people who were on the
ship who had become friendly towards Gandhi -- they were all Indians -- said
to him simply, "What is the point, sitting here for three days? The nights
in Alexandria are beautiful!"
But he didn't understand the meaning, that "nights in Alexandria are
beautiful." In that way he was a simpleton. He had never heard the name of
the famous book ARABIAN NIGHTS; otherwise he would have understood.
Alexandria is very close to Arabia, and those are Arabian nights!
So Gandhi said, "Okay, if the nights are beautiful I am coming." But he was
not aware where he was going. They took him into a beautiful house, and he
said, "But where are we going?"
"To beautiful nights," those friends said -- and it was a prostitute's
house. Gandhi was so shocked that he lost his voice. He could not say, "I
don't want to go in"; he could not say, "I want to go back to the ship" --
for two reasons. One was: "These people will think that I am impotent or
something." Secondly, he was not able to speak; for the first time he found
that his throat was choked.
Those people just dragged him. They said, "He is new -- nothing to be
worried about," and he went with them. They pushed him into a prostitute's
room and closed the door. The prostitute was also a little puzzled seeing
this man trembling, perspiring. She completely forgot that he was a customer.
She just made him sit; he wouldn't sit on her bed but she forced him. She
said, "You are not in a position to stand, you will fall down, you are
shaking so much. You just sit."
He could not say that he could not sit on a prostitute's bed; What will my
mother say? I have not looked yet -- he was talking to his mother inside --
I have not yet looked with lustful eyes. This is just an accident; those
idiots have forced me here. The woman understood that it seemed he had been
forced. She said, "Don't be worried, I'm also a human being. What do you
want? Simply tell me and I will do it." But he could not say anything.
The woman said,"It is very difficult now, how .... You don't speak?"
He said, "I ... just ...."
So she said, "You please write."
He had to write on paper, "I have been unnecessarily forced here -- I
simply want to go. And I look on you as my sister."
She said, "That's perfectly okay, don't be worried." She opened the door
and she said, "Do you have money enough to go to the ship or should I come
with you to lead you? -- because Alexandria in the middle of the night is
He said, "No" -- now he was able to speak for the first time, seeing that a
prostitute is not some dangerous animal. She behaved more humanly than any
woman had ever behaved with him. She offered him food. He said, "No, I
cannot eat; I am okay." She offered water; he wouldn't drink water from a
prostitute's house ... as if water also becomes dirty because it is in a
In India that happens. In Indian stations you will find people shouting, "Hindu
water!" "Mohammedan water!" Water Hindu? Mohammedan? And Jainas of course
don't drink either the Hindu water or the Mohammedan water; they carry their
own water, Jaina water, because they are such a minority that in stations
you won't find Jaina water, so they have to carry their own water.
But Gandhi thanked the woman, and in his autobiography he wrote about that
woman and about the whole incident: "How cowardly I was! I could not even
speak, could not even say no."
Now these three things kept him a slave in England where he could have been
free. He could have looked into many aspects of life which were not
available in India, but it was impossible because those three oaths were so
binding. He did not make friends, he did not go to any meetings, sermons. He
simply kept himself with his books and prayed to God, "Somehow finish my
course so I can be back in India."
Now, such a person cannot become a great legal expert. His examination was
good, he passed. But when he came to India, in his first case, when he went
to the court again the same thing happened as had happened in the
prostitute's house. He simply said, "My lord ..." and that was all! People
waited a few minutes, then again he said, "My lord ...." And he was
trembling so that the justice said, "You take him and let him relax."
That was Gandhi's first and last case in India, in an Indian court. Then he
never dared to take any case because just after "My lord," he might stop,
and that would not make sense. And the reason was simply that he had no
experience of meeting people, talking with people, conversing with people.
He had become almost like an isolated monk who had lived in a faraway
monastery, alone, and then had been brought again to Bombay where he was not
at all at ease.
And this man became one of the greatest leaders of the world. In this world
things work very strangely. Because Gandhi could not go to the court, he
accepted an offer from a friendly Mohammedan family; they had business in
South Africa and they needed a legal adviser. He was not to go to the court,
he had just to advise the advocate there, to assist him to understand the
whole situation of the business in India and in Africa.
So he was just an assistant to the advocate; he was not going to court
directly. For this purpose he went to Africa, but on the way two accidents
happened which changed not only his life but the whole Indian history, and
perhaps made an impact on the whole world.
One was that a friend who had come to see him off at the ship presented him
a book, UNTO THIS LAST, by John Ruskin -- a book which transformed his whole
life. It is a simple book and a small book. It professes -- "Unto this last"
means the poorest one -- we should consider the poorest one first. And that
became his whole philosophy of life: the poorest should be considered first.
In South Africa, while Gandhi was traveling in a first-class compartment,
one Englishman entered and said, "You get out, because no Indian can travel
in first class."
Gandhi said, "But I have a first-class ticket. The question is not whether
I am Indian or European; the question is whether I have a first-class ticket
or not. Nowhere is it written who can travel; whoever has a first-class
ticket can travel."
But that Englishman was not going to listen. He pulled the emergency chain
and threw Gandhi's things out. And Gandhi was a thin and weak man; the
Englishman threw him out also on the platform and told him, "now you travel
The whole night Gandhi remained on that small station's platform. The
stationmaster told him, "You unnecessarily got into trouble; you should have
got down. You seem to be new here. Indians cannot travel first-class. It is
not a law but this is how things are." But the whole night Gandhi spent in a
turmoil. It became the very seed of his revolt against the British Empire.
That night he decided that this empire has to end.
Gandhi lived many years in Africa and there he learned the whole art of
fighting non-violently. And when he came to India in the 1920's he was a
perfectly trained leader of non-violent revolution, and he immediately took
over the whole country, for the simple reason that he was conventional,
traditional, religious. Nobody could say that he was not a sage, because he
was following rules of five thousand years before, laid down five thousand
In fact he was preaching that we should turn the clock backwards and we
should move to the days of Manu -- five thousand years back. To him the
greatest and the latest invention was the spinning wheel. After that, no
science ... science's work finished with the spinning wheel. Of course he
became the leader of those people who are not contemporary.
You are asking me how to save humanity. From whom? I will say from Mahatma
Gandhi and people like him.
Yes, save humanity:
Save it from the popes, shankaracharyas, imams. Save it from Jesus Christ,
Mahavira, Gautam Buddha. Save it.
But I know your question is not about saving it from Jesus Christ. You are
asking just the opposite: you are asking me how to save it for Jesus Christ,
not from Jesus Christ. But why? And have you tried to think -- are you
saved? Can you say that you have come to the point beyond which there is no
growth? Can you say that you are utterly contented, that you don't need even
a single moment more to live because there is nothing left for you?
Are you saved from all anxiety, anguish, misery, suffering, anger,
Are you saved from your own ego?
If you are not saved from all this rubbish hanging around, all this poison
in your being, you have some nerve to ask how to save humanity.
And who are we to save humanity?
On what authority?
I can never conceive myself as a savior, as a messiah, because these are
all ego trips. Who am I to save you? If I can save myself, that is more than
But it is a strange world. People are drowning themselves in shit and
crying loudly, "Save humanity!"
From whom? From you?
It is psychologically understandable. You start all these ideas of
redeeming, saving, helping, serving, just to do one thing: to escape from
You don't want to face yourself.
You don't want to see where you are, what you are. The best way is, start
saving humanity so you will be so much involved, engaged, occupied, worried
about great problems that your own problems will look negligible. Perhaps
you may forget all about them. This is a very psychological device, but very
poisonous. You want somehow to be as far away from yourself as possible so
you need not see the wounds which are hurting. The best way is: serve.
I used to go to speak in Rotary Clubs, and on their desk they have their
motto: We serve. And that was enough to trigger me. "What nonsense is this?
Whom do you serve and why should you serve? Who are you to serve?" But
Rotarians all over the world believe in service; just believe .... And once
in a while they do little things, very clever.
The Rotarians collect all the medicines which are left in your house,
unused because the sick person is no longer sick. Half the bottle is left --
what are you going to do with it? Have some bank account in the other world;
give it to the Rotary Club!
You are not losing anything, you were going to throw it anyway. What were
you going to do with that medicine, those tablets, injections or any other
things that are left? You just give it to the Rotary Club. The Rotary Club
collects all kinds of medicines from everybody and has all the top people of
the city. It is a prestigious thing to be a member of a Rotary Club, to be a
Rotarian, because only the top man in a certain profession .... Only one
professor will be a Rotarian, only one doctor will be a Rotarian, only one
engineer will be a Rotarian -- only one from every profession, vocation.
So the doctor who is the Rotarian will distribute those medicines to poor
people. Great service! The doctor takes his fee and finds out from this junk
that they have collected what medicine may be in some way useful. He is
doing great service because at least he is giving this much time in finding
the medicine from out of the junk: "We serve." And then he feels great
inside that he is doing something of immense value.
One man has been opening schools in India for aboriginal children his whole
life. He is a follower of Gandhi. Just by chance he met me, because I had
gone into that aboriginal tribe. I was studying those aboriginals from every
view, because they are living examples of days when man was not so much
burdened with all kinds of morality, religion, civilization, culture,
etiquette, manners. They are simple, innocent, still wild, fresh.
This man was going and collecting money from cities, and opening schools
and bringing teachers. Just by the way he met me there. I said, "What are
you doing? You think you are doing great service to these people?"
He said, "Of course!"
So arrogantly he said, "Of course!" I said, "You are not aware of what you
are doing. Schools exist in the cities, better than these: what help have
they provided for human beings? And if those schools cannot provide, and
colleges and universities cannot provide any help to humanity, what do you
think? -- your small schools are going to help these poor aboriginals?
"All that you will do is, you will destroy their originality. All that you
will do is, you will destroy their primitive wildness. They are still free:
your schools will create nothing but trouble for them."
The man was shocked, but he waited for a few seconds and then said,
"Perhaps you are right, because once in a while I have been thinking that
these schools and colleges and universities exist on a far wider scale all
over the world. What can my small schools do? But then I thought it was
Gandhi's order to me to go to aboriginals and open schools, so I am
following my master's order."
I said, "If your master was an idiot, that does not mean that you have to
continue following the order. Now, stop -- I order you! And I tell you why
you have been doing all this -- just to escape from your own suffering, your
own misery. You are a miserable man; anybody can see it from your face. You
have never loved anybody, you have never been loved by anybody."
He said, "How did you manage to infer that? -- because it is true. I was an
orphan, nobody loved me, and I have been brought up in Gandhi's ashram where
love was only talked about in prayer; otherwise, love was not a thing to be
practiced. There was strict discipline, a kind of regimentation. So nobody
has ever loved me, that's true; and you are right, I have never loved
anybody because in Gandhi's ashram it was impossible to fall in love. That
was the greatest crime.
"I was one of those whom Gandhi praised because I never fell in his eyes.
Even his own sons betrayed him. Devadas, his son, fell in love with
Rajgopalchary's daughter, and then he was expelled from the ashram; they got
married. Gandhi's own personal secretary, Pyarelal, fell in love with a
woman and kept the love affair secret for years. When it was exposed it was
a scandal, a great scandal."
I said, "What nonsense! But Gandhi's personal secretary ... that means,
what about others?" And this man was praised because he never came in
contact with any woman! Gandhi sent him to the aboriginal tribes and he had
been doing what the master had said.
But he said to me, "You have disturbed me. Perhaps it is true: I am just
trying to escape from myself, from my wounds, from my own anguish."
So all these people who become interested in saving humanity, in the first
place are very egoistic. They are thinking of themselves as saviors. In the
second place, they are very sick. They are trying to forget their sickness.
And in the third place, whatever they do is going to help man become worse
than he is, because they are sick and blind and they are trying to lead
people. And when blind people lead then you can be certain sooner or later
the whole lot is going to fall into a well.
No, I am not interested in saving anybody. In fact, nobody needs saving.
Everybody is perfectly okay as he is. Everybody is what he has chosen to be.
Now who am I to disturb him? All that I can do is, I can say about myself
what has happened to me. I can tell my story. Perhaps from that story
someone may get an insight, a direction. Perhaps from that a door opens up.
But I am not doing anything, I am simply sharing my own experience.
It is not service, I am enjoying it, so it is not service. Remember it. A
servant has to be very long-faced and very serious -- he is doing such a
great work. He is carrying the Himalayas on his shoulders, the whole burden
of the world.
I am not carrying anything:
No burden of the world, no burden of anybody.
And I am not doing any serious job.
I am just enjoying telling you about my experience. To share it is a joy in
If something reaches to you, thank God!
He does not exist.
Don't thank me -- because I exist!
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